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Will This Be The Worst Frozen Ever?

First of all, take a peek at the header switch at the top of the page, updated with the logos of the four participating teams at next weekend’s Frozen Four.

Now, to the task at hand. This year, 4 seed Miami (22-12-5), 3 seed Vermont (22-11-5) and 4 seed Bemidji State (20-15-1) will join top seeded BU at the Frozen Four in Washington DC. At first glance, this is reminiscent of the 2001 Final Four, in which 1 seed Michigan State joined 5 seed Florida and 8 seeds North Carolina and Wisconsin. As expected, Michigan State rolled through the two games to win the national championship.

One way to spin this is that hockey is a sport in which anything can happen and that is good for the game. Part of this is true, anything can happen. A hot goalie has more impact over a game than any player in any sport. But is this good for the game?

Not that ESPN gets fantastic ratings for the Frozen Four anyways, but a Frozen like last season’s with powerhouses like Michigan, BC and North Dakota, not to mention an ESPN magnet like Notre Dame. This year, ESPN can (I guess) play up the Ben Roethlisberger element with Miami, talk about BU having a rich hockey history, talk about Matt Gilroy’s potential contract, and maybe they’ll get lucky and Wilson or Gilroy will win the Hobey. Vermont? They’ll probably talk about Martin St. Louis, etc. but Bemidji State? They could talk about the dissolving of the CHA and Bemidji State’s bid to join the WCHA.

In any event, while two #4 seeds and a 3 in the Frozen Four is a good story, I’d rather have the best 4 teams, which definitely do not include any of those three teams. I was skeptical of Miami’s inclusion in the NCAA tournament, and it is ironic that this is the worst team they’ve had in the past 5 years or so, and this is the team that finally broke through to the Frozen. Bemidji State, however you slice it, didn’t belong in the NCAA Tournament. They were 19th in winning percentage, behind RIT and Mercyhurst, 26th in offense, behind, among others, Quinnipiac, and 19th in defense, behind teams like Niagara. All of this coming in the worst conference, and one of the worst schedules, in hockey.

Granted, some people will make the argument that Bemidji belonged because they won two games. That argument is pretty much garbage. They played well for two games. If the Pittsburgh Pirates go out and beat the Chicago Cubs twice, that doesn’t mean they deserve to win the NL Central.

For the finishing argument, when you add the 4 seeds together this year, you get 12. Let’s look at them for the other years in the 16 team tournament era: (participating teams in parentheses)

2003: 6 (Cornell, UNH, Michigan, Minnesota)

2004: 6 (Maine, Boston College, Minnesota-Duluth, Denver)

2005: 5 (North Dakota, Minnesota, Colorado College, Denver)

2006: 9 (Maine, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Boston College)

2007: 10 (Michigan State, North Dakota, Boston College, Maine)

2008: 8 (North Dakota, Boston College, Michigan, Notre Dame)

This is the highest number since we went to the 16 team tournament. In previous high years, there were traditional powers to save the viewer (North Dakota, Maine) but this year there won’t be. As much as I want to see college hockey be expanded to places like Penn State, Illinois, etc., and the loss of the CHA pretty much kills those chances, I will be glad that now only one league will steal a bid from a team that deserves it. Although Atlantic Hockey didn’t do that this year.

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  1. samerochocinco
    March 30, 2009 at 9:58 pm


    But seriously, it will be. BU should run through them, and I’m still pissed that UNH lost, bullshit game. At least they played hard and showed they belonged there.

  2. samerochocinco
    March 30, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    I just noticed how stupid the Bemidji logo is too compared to the other ones.

  3. samerochocinco
    March 30, 2009 at 10:01 pm

    Shit looks like the beaver from Narnia. Sorry I left 3 comments instead of one, but whatever.

  4. March 30, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Lol no worries. Sorry about the blogroll thing. I’m lazy. Like epically (to use your word) lazy.

  5. pkiguy22
    March 31, 2009 at 5:18 am

    Totally agree with you on the fact that this isn’t a very exciting field of teams, but that is what you get when you play one game. This happens every now and again, but most of the time this process works.

    With all that being said, I am still psyched that my beloved beavers are coming to DC. I can’t tell you how many games I went to back in the day watching this team just destroy DII teams winning year after year.

    I hope they make the beavers change their logo before admitting them to the WCHA.

  6. David M
    March 31, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I believe that ultimately the best team in a sport will prevail in these tournaments, this is how it is set up in the beginning of the season, every team knows it, if you can’t get it through the players’ heads that you can be one and done against any team then you don’t belong. Plain and simple. I think it’s fun to have non traditional teams in the finals, naturally I wanted my huskies in it, but the parity that this frozen 4 provides is something that should be cherished as something like this is more likely than not not going to happen for a long time after this year. Enjoy the wackiness, don’t be mad that the “best” teams didn’t make it, be happy for the smaller programs showing the big programs up in their own game.


  7. March 31, 2009 at 1:38 pm

    I can’t belive the elitist comments. You think if a team isn’t from a BCS conference or what you consider a traditional power they don’t deserve to be there. Well, Notre Dame and Michigan had their chance and blew it. You get hot at the right time and win 2 pressure packed games in 2 nights, you deserve to go. And saying Miami didn’t deserve a bid is ludicrous. Look at their schedule and who they beat. Get used to it. The RedHawks have broken through and will be back.

  8. March 31, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    I did look at their schedule. That was part of my reasoning. They only had two more non-conference wins than I did by myself. And those were against RPI.

  9. Bob
    March 31, 2009 at 11:24 pm

    You’re an idiot….Bemidji State won when it counted…sorry your team, whoever that may be, didn’t make it to the frozen 4….Bemidji state played their hearts out and beat those Hunchbacks and “big red”….so stop your whining you pussy…..

  10. Partypooper
    April 1, 2009 at 2:54 am

    Anyone who doesn’t think that these four teams deserve to be here is a sourpuss. The first 30 – 40 games of the season don’t mean jack #%&^! You play the season to get ready for the post season. A record may help you get into a tournament but if you are not ready, you lose. Bemidji dominated the Fighting Irish (you know, the ones with a little green man wearing tights for logo), the started slow against Cornell, but then ran away with it. They were the only team in the whole tourney to win both games by asignificant margin. Give them, Miami, and Vermont some credit. All of those schools have a rich hockey tradition.

    Now, I don’t know who is going to win the whole shabang, but I wouldn’t count any of the other three teams out. In the selection show on ESPN 2, the commentators stated that the Irish and the Terriers would meet in the Final and that it was a toss up between the two for the title. If BU pulls a Notre Dame, and expects any easy walk down memory lane, they are in for a surprise. BU expected all season to be there. The other three teams had no idea but now have a powerful thing on their side. That is they believe. They believe they can beat anyone at anytime. That is a powerful thing for the powerful to overcome. Good luck to all, it should be a great Frozen Four.

  11. Brian
    April 1, 2009 at 6:11 am

    Are you kidding me??? The worst Frozen Four ever! Come on! Boston barely beat New Hampshire to get in the Frozen Four. The best teams are in the Frozen Four and if you watched any of the games I think you will agree. Bemidji dominated Notre Dame and outplayed Cornell. Any true hockey fan would agree this was a great tournament and good hockey! The nation now knows what BEAVER HOCKEY is all about! GO BEAVERS!!!!!

  12. ljBSU
    April 1, 2009 at 10:22 am

    Who cares what the freaking Bemidji logo looks like… THE BOSTON TERRIERS? Really? A nippy little dog around my ankles… PLEASE!


  13. Brian
    April 1, 2009 at 11:29 am

    You can all make fun of the Beaver logo all you want, but it wiil sure look good on a National Championship banner! GO BEAVERS!

  14. Al
    April 1, 2009 at 11:33 am

    Saying this is the worst Frozen Four ever is like saying the BCS winner is the national champion of college football. They all followed the procedure, and these four teams survived. It’s more interesting that the Final Four with all those big-money programs playing in what could be one of those made-for-TV tournaments. All hail the mid-majors and small colleges. Just because they’re not North Carolina or North Dakota doesn’t mean they automatically suck.

  15. Jim B.
    April 1, 2009 at 12:00 pm

    Any way you slice it they DO belong in the tournament. The CHA has not dissolved through any fault of Bemidji. What are the other colleges to do when a school decides to drop thier program. Also, you need an automatic qualifier in each conference in order to be competitve on the recruiting trail. Imagine what would happen to D1 hockey if you pulled the auto bid for the ECAC. It’s a shame there’s still morons like you that don’t get it!

  16. April 1, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    Just because you have an AQ doesn’t mean you’re good enough to participate. Radford had an AQ into the basketball tournament, and lost by 50. I like having them in there, but at the same time realizing they wouldn’t get in otherwise, thus not belonging. Simple logic. It’s not too difficult.

  17. Matt
    April 1, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    BSU’s logo is stupid? What about Vermont’s? Stupid cat got stuck in a V!

    And I don’t know what these games will bring, but I will say that the Northeast regional (at least the UNH/UND and UNH/BU games) was probably the best regional I’ve been to in years. I wish the Final had turned out better for my Wildcats, but they were still two great games.

    As for the idea of BSU only being in the Frozen Four because they happened to play well in two games being ridiculous, that is the format of the tournament. One and done, and you only need to win two games to make the semifinals. That said, there’s a reason this is the first time a CHA/AHA team has made the Frozen Four – even playing their best hockey, it’s frequently not enough to beat the schools from the stronger conferences. Did they happen to catch Notre Dame on an off night? Maybe. If the first round was a best-of-3 series, who knows, ND may have won the next two games, after seeing the Beavers and adjusting to their style of play. However, that’s not the format. The Beavers beat who they needed to beat, and earned their spot in the National Semifinals.

  18. beaverhockey
    April 1, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    This could possibly be the BEST Frozen Four ever!!!! A team that is ranked #44 in the nations shows up to plan and demolishes #2 Notre Dame and #10 Cornell…. What an upset!! Believe it!! The Beavers deserve to be there!!! They fought their way there!!

    ….and since when does our logo have ANYTHING to do with hockey…. Maybe Notre Dame and Cornell underestimated us because our logo isn’t very intimidating…. there’s another lame argument you can use if the Beavers do come out on top….


  19. House
    April 1, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    Fetch, while you have every right to your opinion, my opinion is that you are seriously under-informed. To state that ESPN would have nothing to talk about regarding BSU is ridiculous. In the same paragraph, you stated that ESPN would talk about BU’s history. BSU doesn’t have history? If you honestly don’t think that there is something to be said about 13 National Championships, I disagree. Irregardless of what Division, it proves that BSU has a long and proud tradition of a hockey school.

    To the people who question the age of the students, or whether they’re STUDENT athletes… BSU has maintained a team GPA of 3.3 or better for years. Graduation rates have been outstanding for decades. Just because the player is older doesn’t mean they’re just there to skate.

    Lastly, BSU used to play many WCHA teams before and after they joined the WCHA. SCSU, UND, UMD, UMN-Mankato all fell to the Beavers. The reason they went WCHA before BSU is because Bemidji is the smallest of the five.

    BU hasn’t won a title since ’95, and it’ll be another year before they get another chance.

    BEAVERS!!! Let’s GO!!

  20. April 1, 2009 at 8:46 pm

    You make good points, and I don’t mean to pooh-pooh D2 and D3 hockey, but that’s what I’m doing I guess.

    I’m sure due to this post I have single handedly signed, sealed and delivered Bemidji State’s national championship (or at least that’s how I’ll frame it) but I’ll be cheering for the Bemidji-Miami winner regardless.

  21. Partypooper
    April 2, 2009 at 7:23 am

    Thanks Fetch. Being a ND grad (North Dakota) I have to say…I love your logo!!:)

    It will be fun to watch regardless. It’s hockey isn’t it. You’ll have to admit, it is a great story. One for the ages. Hopefully, the small town Beavs can stand up to the pressure. If I know Ernie (Tom Serratore) he will keep their eyes on the prize. It’s one and done, has been for a week or so.
    Believe it or not, I bet their alot of people in Grand Forks, like yourself, that want the Beavs to win the whole thing. The odds are against them, but they seem to like that. One thing for sure, this is the biggest thing to happen in Bemidji since our curlers took bronze a couple years back.

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